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Sunday, May 23, 2004
The Search for P.M.D.'s
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Iraq is just too big to build such a wall. It would require literally millions of troops to man such a wall. There just is no short term solution. But Friedman’s long term solution is the correct one – turn over security to a domestic Iraqi military/police force. This will work but, even if we speed up recruitment and training of such as force, this project is over a year away from completion.
Doing the wrong thing is easy. Doing the right thing is often very hard.
We will just have to stick it out.
...while we have not found any W.M.D. in Iraq, we have found there a disturbing number of P.M.D.'s — people of mass destruction...Freidman is quite good at discerning the problem. Unfortunately, his solution (more US troops now) just won't work. The Israeli army has massive presence and still fails to stop these kinds of attacks. Only the building of an impenetrable wall is having any effect at reducing these attacks.
We're so shell-shocked, we just treat this as another day, another suicide bomb in Iraq. But we need to think about this. My rough estimate is that there have been 50 to 75 suicide bomb attacks in Iraq in the last year. So the first question I have is this: Where are all these suicide bombers coming from? How do you just get these people off the shelf?
I don't buy it myself, but one can plausibly argue that 37 years of Israeli occupation of the West Bank have made Palestinians so crazy that scores of them would have volunteered for suicide bombing missions over the last few years. But the U.S. "occupation" of Iraq is only a year old, and the suicide bombings started there within a few months of U.S. forces' arriving, to liberate the Iraqi people from Saddam's warped tyranny. So what does that mean? It means that some group or groups have the ability to recruit a large pool of people willing to kill themselves in attacks against American or Iraqi targets on short notice — and we don't have a clue how this process works.
We don't know who these people are — although reports suggest they are coming from Europe, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and Saudi Arabia — how the underground railroad that gets them from their local mosques to Iraq operates, how they connect up with the operating cells in Iraq and how they get wired and indoctrinated for suicide missions.
"I don't think the P.M.D.'s are really a product of local Iraqi resentment against us," says Raymond Stock, an expert on Arabic literature and media based in Cairo. "They are mainly imported cookie-cutter killers, created by a combination of Arab mass media, certain extremist elements in Muslim culture, and some very shrewd recruiting by Al Qaeda and its ilk. When young, angry, futureless, sexually repressed people are taught that death is a permanent vacation of guilt-free pleasure, and they see it glorified in countless videos, all you need is a willing truck driver to ferry them over the border from Syria, Jordan, Turkey or Saudi Arabia and presto — a human bomb."
Whoever "they" are, they seem to be getting more and more sophisticated. What's worse is that these people are utter nihilists. At least Hamas has a stated political goal of ridding Palestine of all Jews and setting up an Islamic state there. It even offers social services. The people running the suicide operations in Iraq, whether they are working independently or are just one organization, don't even claim credit, let alone make any demands. They just want to ensure that America fails to produce anything decent in Iraq and they are ready to sacrifice all Iraqis for that end.
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But it's another reason we need to shift authority and security in Iraq to Iraqis as soon as they can handle it. Only they will have the ears needed to pick up the accents of P.M.D.'s, the eyes needed to know who doesn't belong and the smell for where these rotten apples are being stored to solve this P.M.D. mystery. And only they will have the words in Arabic to delegitimize this suicide trend.
We must shut this play down before it comes to a theater near us.
Iraq is just too big to build such a wall. It would require literally millions of troops to man such a wall. There just is no short term solution. But Friedman’s long term solution is the correct one – turn over security to a domestic Iraqi military/police force. This will work but, even if we speed up recruitment and training of such as force, this project is over a year away from completion.
Doing the wrong thing is easy. Doing the right thing is often very hard.
We will just have to stick it out.
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A suicide bomber who straps explosives to himself knows what his fate will be. A "suicide" car bomber, on the other hand, may not know that he is about to become a martyr.
The car bomber serves two purposes, however. First, he causes death and destruction. Second, he inspires others to follow his "noble" example.
I wonder how many so-called martyrs were simply dupes that were being used by the cowards who asked them to drive to a given location for some plausible reason (in an explosives laden car).
BTW, the myth of "no WMD's in Iraq" has been sufficiently debunked. You can stop trying to perpetuate it now.
HB
The car bomber serves two purposes, however. First, he causes death and destruction. Second, he inspires others to follow his "noble" example.
I wonder how many so-called martyrs were simply dupes that were being used by the cowards who asked them to drive to a given location for some plausible reason (in an explosives laden car).
BTW, the myth of "no WMD's in Iraq" has been sufficiently debunked. You can stop trying to perpetuate it now.
HB
HB,
Obviously you don't read my blog enough if you think I am trying to 'perpetuate' anything about WMDs.
Frankly, I don't care much about WMDs one way or the other. America must win in Iraq. In the sense that foes of the war are using 'no WMDs' as a mantra to undermine the war effort, then I am willing to argue that the Saddam-WMD nexis is valid. But I am convinced that this was more of a long-term problem than an immediate one.
On your other point on suicide car bombing, you are mistaken.
There is no evenidece to support the supposition that suicide car bombers are dupes, and much evidence to deny it. Many suicide car bombers in Israel and Iraq have been caught before they were able to carry out their plans. From interviews of these individuals it is clear that they were aware that they were on a suicide mission.
Friedman's question is quite valid. Where do these people come from, and how do we, or can we, stop them?
Obviously you don't read my blog enough if you think I am trying to 'perpetuate' anything about WMDs.
Frankly, I don't care much about WMDs one way or the other. America must win in Iraq. In the sense that foes of the war are using 'no WMDs' as a mantra to undermine the war effort, then I am willing to argue that the Saddam-WMD nexis is valid. But I am convinced that this was more of a long-term problem than an immediate one.
On your other point on suicide car bombing, you are mistaken.
There is no evenidece to support the supposition that suicide car bombers are dupes, and much evidence to deny it. Many suicide car bombers in Israel and Iraq have been caught before they were able to carry out their plans. From interviews of these individuals it is clear that they were aware that they were on a suicide mission.
Friedman's question is quite valid. Where do these people come from, and how do we, or can we, stop them?
Sorry, I said that wrong. I doubt, from reading your blog, that you would "try to perpetuate" the WMD denial. I apologize for my inappropriate wording.
The claim of no WMD's, however, is one that will not seem to go away. I agree that the subject of WMD's (past and present) is really of no value in the discussion of pertinent issues regarding Iraq. It is the continued attempts to torpedo efforts to push Iraq through the transition to a stable democratic nation that is of overriding importance.
Perhaps the car bombers are all intentionally suicidal. However, I recognize the plausibility of duping someone into being the unwitting deliverer of a bomb. The terrorists give us no reason to believe that they're above such despicable tactics.
Besides, recruiting suicide bombers can't be a process simple enough to satisfy the desire to hit so many targets at the specific times someone wishes to do so. The logistical requirements, both human and material, quite possibly demand the use of dupes.
I seem to remember one instance of a preempted suicide bombing in which the driver of the car denied any knowledge of the explosives in the trunk. He could have been lying, but who knows.
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The claim of no WMD's, however, is one that will not seem to go away. I agree that the subject of WMD's (past and present) is really of no value in the discussion of pertinent issues regarding Iraq. It is the continued attempts to torpedo efforts to push Iraq through the transition to a stable democratic nation that is of overriding importance.
Perhaps the car bombers are all intentionally suicidal. However, I recognize the plausibility of duping someone into being the unwitting deliverer of a bomb. The terrorists give us no reason to believe that they're above such despicable tactics.
Besides, recruiting suicide bombers can't be a process simple enough to satisfy the desire to hit so many targets at the specific times someone wishes to do so. The logistical requirements, both human and material, quite possibly demand the use of dupes.
I seem to remember one instance of a preempted suicide bombing in which the driver of the car denied any knowledge of the explosives in the trunk. He could have been lying, but who knows.
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